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		<title>By: fdeblauwe</title>
		<link>http://technoccult.net/archives/2008/06/30/boing-boing-scrubs-links-to-violet-blues-site/comment-page-1/#comment-240067</link>
		<dc:creator>fdeblauwe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would I comment on Boing Boing? They treat me like a criminal anyway! I used to think Boing Boing was interesting but now I&#039;m not so sure. I got &quot;disemvoweled&quot; just for posting links to some relevant blog posts of mine. I tried to communicate and got nothing but silence. Have they ever thought of assuming commenters are writing in good faith and email them to clear up a possible misunderstanding? Instead, they left a caustic comment following mine with no clear way on how to &quot;comply&quot; with their blog commenting philosophy, started to disemvowel my comments, said that I should contact Teresa without telling me how I was supposed to do that, etc. Also, email would be better too as I&#039;m sure not everyone returns compulsively to read all the subsequent comments to a post they commented on. It all seems a bit too arrogant and callous to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would I comment on Boing Boing? They treat me like a criminal anyway! I used to think Boing Boing was interesting but now I&#8217;m not so sure. I got &#8220;disemvoweled&#8221; just for posting links to some relevant blog posts of mine. I tried to communicate and got nothing but silence. Have they ever thought of assuming commenters are writing in good faith and email them to clear up a possible misunderstanding? Instead, they left a caustic comment following mine with no clear way on how to &#8220;comply&#8221; with their blog commenting philosophy, started to disemvowel my comments, said that I should contact Teresa without telling me how I was supposed to do that, etc. Also, email would be better too as I&#8217;m sure not everyone returns compulsively to read all the subsequent comments to a post they commented on. It all seems a bit too arrogant and callous to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Executor Snorky</title>
		<link>http://technoccult.net/archives/2008/06/30/boing-boing-scrubs-links-to-violet-blues-site/comment-page-1/#comment-154208</link>
		<dc:creator>Executor Snorky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 02:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with deleting comments and banning users is that it destroys the time and energy the user spent into making the comment.  Of course, there are some really annoying trolls out there, but often times, people are banned or deleted merely for disagreeing with the blogger.

Ideally, no comments would ever be deleted, but merely routed to their proper place.  Excellent comments made at the bottom because the user came in late, would be routed to the top so that people could actually read them.

Perhaps the whole comments structure needs to be re-thought.

I envision a software algorithm that links comments to various parts of a post, and then links the comments together as they relate to each other.

It would also push the less relevant or inane comments away.

But I suppose we all do the best we can with the tools that we have to work with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with deleting comments and banning users is that it destroys the time and energy the user spent into making the comment.  Of course, there are some really annoying trolls out there, but often times, people are banned or deleted merely for disagreeing with the blogger.</p>
<p>Ideally, no comments would ever be deleted, but merely routed to their proper place.  Excellent comments made at the bottom because the user came in late, would be routed to the top so that people could actually read them.</p>
<p>Perhaps the whole comments structure needs to be re-thought.</p>
<p>I envision a software algorithm that links comments to various parts of a post, and then links the comments together as they relate to each other.</p>
<p>It would also push the less relevant or inane comments away.</p>
<p>But I suppose we all do the best we can with the tools that we have to work with.</p>
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		<title>By: Klintron</title>
		<link>http://technoccult.net/archives/2008/06/30/boing-boing-scrubs-links-to-violet-blues-site/comment-page-1/#comment-154116</link>
		<dc:creator>Klintron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Snorky - you are correct, they took down their comments section for years until they decided to hire a professional moderator.

I should probably write an official comment deletion policy at some point, but generally I delete spam and off-topic messages. So far I don&#039;t remember having to deal with any threatening or harassing comments, or hate speech but I&#039;d probably delete that sort of thing too.

So anyway, I support comment moderation (or the decision not to have a comments system) but it was irresponsible for them to run your private correspondance without asking and not to give you the chance to reply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snorky &#8211; you are correct, they took down their comments section for years until they decided to hire a professional moderator.</p>
<p>I should probably write an official comment deletion policy at some point, but generally I delete spam and off-topic messages. So far I don&#8217;t remember having to deal with any threatening or harassing comments, or hate speech but I&#8217;d probably delete that sort of thing too.</p>
<p>So anyway, I support comment moderation (or the decision not to have a comments system) but it was irresponsible for them to run your private correspondance without asking and not to give you the chance to reply.</p>
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		<title>By: Executor Snorky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Executor Snorky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Klintron

If I remember correctly, they didn&#039;t even have one for way to long a time.

Another fun thing that happened; Xeni posted something, and I emailed her about something related.  She then posted it on boingboing without my express permission.

I was unaware that a private email would automatically be posted, since I intended it purely as an FYI.  Additionally, there were some slight factual inaccuracies, since I&#039;d written the email off the top of my head.

This then led to a lengthy debate in the &quot;comments&quot; section, which I could not respond to because it consisted only of BB friends riffing on what I wrote.  This was especially irritating given that a serious issue was made light of, and I had no opportunity to respond. 

Now you have to &quot;register&quot; if you want your comments posted.  If you don&#039;t &quot;register,&quot; they&#039;ll almost certainly never be posted.

Anyway, as far as I&#039;m concerned, comments should never be deleted, but I think they should be sorted based on utility and relevance.  Comments that are spam should be minimized and sent to the bottom of the page as spam.  Comments that are troll-wars should be sent to their own section.  Comments that are inane should be down-graded.  Only comments that have something substantive to offer should make it to the top of the list.

It also seems that whoever comments first enjoys inordinate control over the conversation.  In BB&#039;s follow-up to their own post, several of them commented at the beginning to spin the conversation even further.

Finally, if I had to guess, I would say that Violet Blue did something to personally offend one or more of the BBers, probably Xeni, who was always sort of Violet&#039;s champion anyway.  So now Xeni yanks her patronage in retaliation; plain and simple.  It also probably was nothing that &quot;serious.&quot;  If it were &quot;serious&quot; then there would be a journalistic obligation to write about it, wouldn&#039;t there?  It was probably something petty and stupid, but something that ended a friendship.

Also, I love how they pretend to be a &quot;personal&quot; blog, when they routinely post news, make news, and offer up things for sale; and then they&#039;re one of the top blogs; because they are all savvy media professionals who have worked in the industry for years.  Who are they kidding?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Klintron</p>
<p>If I remember correctly, they didn&#8217;t even have one for way to long a time.</p>
<p>Another fun thing that happened; Xeni posted something, and I emailed her about something related.  She then posted it on boingboing without my express permission.</p>
<p>I was unaware that a private email would automatically be posted, since I intended it purely as an FYI.  Additionally, there were some slight factual inaccuracies, since I&#8217;d written the email off the top of my head.</p>
<p>This then led to a lengthy debate in the &#8220;comments&#8221; section, which I could not respond to because it consisted only of BB friends riffing on what I wrote.  This was especially irritating given that a serious issue was made light of, and I had no opportunity to respond. </p>
<p>Now you have to &#8220;register&#8221; if you want your comments posted.  If you don&#8217;t &#8220;register,&#8221; they&#8217;ll almost certainly never be posted.</p>
<p>Anyway, as far as I&#8217;m concerned, comments should never be deleted, but I think they should be sorted based on utility and relevance.  Comments that are spam should be minimized and sent to the bottom of the page as spam.  Comments that are troll-wars should be sent to their own section.  Comments that are inane should be down-graded.  Only comments that have something substantive to offer should make it to the top of the list.</p>
<p>It also seems that whoever comments first enjoys inordinate control over the conversation.  In BB&#8217;s follow-up to their own post, several of them commented at the beginning to spin the conversation even further.</p>
<p>Finally, if I had to guess, I would say that Violet Blue did something to personally offend one or more of the BBers, probably Xeni, who was always sort of Violet&#8217;s champion anyway.  So now Xeni yanks her patronage in retaliation; plain and simple.  It also probably was nothing that &#8220;serious.&#8221;  If it were &#8220;serious&#8221; then there would be a journalistic obligation to write about it, wouldn&#8217;t there?  It was probably something petty and stupid, but something that ended a friendship.</p>
<p>Also, I love how they pretend to be a &#8220;personal&#8221; blog, when they routinely post news, make news, and offer up things for sale; and then they&#8217;re one of the top blogs; because they are all savvy media professionals who have worked in the industry for years.  Who are they kidding?</p>
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		<title>By: Slash BB</title>
		<link>http://technoccult.net/archives/2008/06/30/boing-boing-scrubs-links-to-violet-blues-site/comment-page-1/#comment-153966</link>
		<dc:creator>Slash BB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 05:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Update:It&#039;s going viral. Gawker&#039;s got a post up:
http://gawker.com/tag/boing-boing/?i=397522&amp;t=the-media-cool-kids-never-as-cool-as-you-think

The discussion is also going on the Hayen&#039;s blog and MeFi. Still nothing on BB though.

http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/010393.html#010393:

http://www.metafilter.com/72928/Boing-Boing-Finds-21st-Century-Trotsky</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update:It&#8217;s going viral. Gawker&#8217;s got a post up:<br />
<a href="http://gawker.com/tag/boing-boing/?i=397522&amp;t=the-media-cool-kids-never-as-cool-as-you-think" rel="nofollow">http://gawker.com/tag/boing-boing/?i=397522&amp;t=the-media-cool-kids-never-as-cool-as-you-think</a></p>
<p>The discussion is also going on the Hayen&#8217;s blog and MeFi. Still nothing on BB though.</p>
<p><a href="http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/010393.html#010393" rel="nofollow">http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/010393.html#010393</a>:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.metafilter.com/72928/Boing-Boing-Finds-21st-Century-Trotsky" rel="nofollow">http://www.metafilter.com/72928/Boing-Boing-Finds-21st-Century-Trotsky</a></p>
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		<title>By: Slash BB</title>
		<link>http://technoccult.net/archives/2008/06/30/boing-boing-scrubs-links-to-violet-blues-site/comment-page-1/#comment-153963</link>
		<dc:creator>Slash BB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 05:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whew..ok...I&#039;m exhausted, and I give up on trying to link to the sites discussing this again (they&#039;re busy). 

Coming from a site that posts articles promoting transparency and rallies against censorship in  government and other public institutions, the hypocrisy is disturbing, Even more disturbing is BB&#039;s lack of discussion about any of this. Any comments about this issue is being deleted on BB. And the folks defending BB at Theresa Hayden&#039;s blog are playing &quot;spinning the strawman&quot;, without answering the questions that the blogosphere wants to know. 

Why were her posts deleted? Was it a technical glitch (doubtful)? Was it personal? Is this a legal issue that can&#039;t be talked about? And the most disturbing thing of all is the length of time between this actully happening, and the silence from BB about the true reason for this deletion.
(/BoingBoing)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whew..ok&#8230;I&#8217;m exhausted, and I give up on trying to link to the sites discussing this again (they&#8217;re busy). </p>
<p>Coming from a site that posts articles promoting transparency and rallies against censorship in  government and other public institutions, the hypocrisy is disturbing, Even more disturbing is BB&#8217;s lack of discussion about any of this. Any comments about this issue is being deleted on BB. And the folks defending BB at Theresa Hayden&#8217;s blog are playing &#8220;spinning the strawman&#8221;, without answering the questions that the blogosphere wants to know. </p>
<p>Why were her posts deleted? Was it a technical glitch (doubtful)? Was it personal? Is this a legal issue that can&#8217;t be talked about? And the most disturbing thing of all is the length of time between this actully happening, and the silence from BB about the true reason for this deletion.<br />
(/BoingBoing)</p>
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		<title>By: Klintron</title>
		<link>http://technoccult.net/archives/2008/06/30/boing-boing-scrubs-links-to-violet-blues-site/comment-page-1/#comment-153960</link>
		<dc:creator>Klintron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 05:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I don&#039;t really mind the comments section - a site that high traffic&#039;s going to need something (though you&#039;d think they&#039;d just implement a slashdot sort of moderation system). I routinely delete comments here. I don&#039;t think of that, or deleting all the links to tinynibbles.com, as &quot;censorship.&quot; I just think deleting links to people who criticize you is a form of bullying by the biggest kid on the block, and it deserves to be called out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I don&#8217;t really mind the comments section &#8211; a site that high traffic&#8217;s going to need something (though you&#8217;d think they&#8217;d just implement a slashdot sort of moderation system). I routinely delete comments here. I don&#8217;t think of that, or deleting all the links to tinynibbles.com, as &#8220;censorship.&#8221; I just think deleting links to people who criticize you is a form of bullying by the biggest kid on the block, and it deserves to be called out.</p>
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		<title>By: Executor Snorky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Executor Snorky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 04:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve known the boingboingers to be phonies for quite awhile.

They mostly post links to harmless diversions, although they occasionally toss out a juicy tidbit or two.

And then there&#039;s the Comments section, which is just a joke.  They didn&#039;t even have one for awhile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve known the boingboingers to be phonies for quite awhile.</p>
<p>They mostly post links to harmless diversions, although they occasionally toss out a juicy tidbit or two.</p>
<p>And then there&#8217;s the Comments section, which is just a joke.  They didn&#8217;t even have one for awhile.</p>
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